im sure i can find something sufficiently spooky to contribute to your atmosphere
but unfortunately im not entirely familiar with golfing either aside from the most minor understanding im afraid youll need to initiate me if we do take on this activity
hey, u dont happen 2 know of any other imPorts that fall under the mysterious or scary category do u? i need 2 invite some more to help out with the scarefactor
and uh dont hold it against me but all i just said is all i know about golf so i can try and teach u stuff but mostly ill just b winging it
[ That's a bit worrisome. What if whatever their plans are don't work out initially? How many times can they afford to make mistakes? She's already screwed up by getting caught by Osborn. ]
Are those details enough to change the course of the whether the plan is successful or not?
I don't...think so. If anything, it might make it more flexible. But it's a path to success, so if we follow whatever steps she can See for us, we'll be in the best possible position to succeed. From there, it's just a matter of putting it all together and, well, succeeding.
I mean - the schools here aren't bad. They go till 18, and then there's support for continuing on after that. That's good. It could always be better, but it's good. It's not like people are uneducated, and it's not like people are more or less likely to be idiots based on how clever they actually are, because some of the people in charge really are CLEVER but they still panic and make stupid decisions. I think it's something deeper and more entrenched in society than just the quality of the education.
i expected it to be either that or something lower because he felt youre ungrateful
i dont mean to indicate that education is the only problem but it isnt really great when youre used to better any alternian preteen could give a collegiate of this world a challenge not to suggest we lived on some utopia either these people couldnt imagine tyranny like we lived under
You know, you oughtn't talk like that. There are multiple types of intellect, and thinking, and knowledge. An Alternian preteen could give a collegiate of this world a challenge according to the standards of knowledge that YOU find valuable - but of course they could, you think those types of knowledge are valuable because they're what you learned from the beginning.
I don't want to lecture, really. But believe me, I've been called ignorant and common and stupid throughout my life, and every time I heard that all I wanted to do was never listen to that person again. If you want to reach anyone, you've got to try to reach them from a place of understanding that their culture and values might be different - but not necessarily worse.
you have to also understand that im not overly inclined to regard that culture favorably when its attempted for years to remold me to fit it if my opinions of human education particularly lack generosity its because i had been forced to endure it for my first two years on an unfamiliar planet and it didnt leave a pleasant impression obviously i cant exactly ignore a culture so different from my own when it is saturated in every inch of the world around me but that doesnt mean im going to let it erase my own
And that's fair. You can certainly hate the system, or the curriculum, or any of it. But being outwardly contemptuous of the people involved in it doesn't get anyone anywhere-- except offended and hostile.
im not sure you realize how incredibly condescending that sounds to someone in my position i mean ill grant that condescension is something i partake of my fair share in but causing offense or hostility is something you trade in at least as often
I offend YOU often, I guess. That doesn't mean that I cause offense or hostility often. I actually get along pretty well with most people.
Anyway, when I put my foot in it, I generally try to figure out what went wrong so I can fix it the next time - and so, if that's a concern for you (which it probably is, since being heard is a concern for a huge number of beings from a vast number of walks of life), I can just say with some authority that it's worth remembering that the people and the system aren't one and the same. Because, again, I come from a culture that tried actively to keep me ignorant of the broader world, and the moment that someone treats me like they succeeded? I close my ears to them entirely. And then no one gets anywhere.
the last time i tried to be honest or civil with you you attacked my values and called me crazy that isnt because i was on the attack i was simply explaining my position but i certainly didnt react kindly to it so i think that maybe you are not the person best suited to teaching this lesson and your rate of offense is possibly not as minor as you realize at the same time probably consider that you arent talking to me in a way one would to someone she doesnt think is stupid
of course the system and its people arent the same but the people will still be products of a system their actions and attitudes can at times not only reflect that system but perpetuate it i dont think its tremendously unreasonable to express frustration to those instances when that system and the attitudes it promotes are detrimental it may at times be the only means of defense we have against them and it isnt always going to be as polite as you wish
by all means understanding can be key to maintaining peace but there are times when it cannot be reliably employed what i find unreasonable is that you express an expectation for understanding when you have on numerous occasions failed to yourself extend it to others as someone who is made to cohabit with an alien species that has made little effort to understand her for years you have never been an exception to that difficulty more often yet another typical example
so if you want to lecture me on the importance of putting the work into bridging boundaries i will only remind you that those efforts must go both ways
[ She takes a deep breath and pushes down her short temper. You've dealt with pricklier people than this. You made a friend of Bartimaeus, after all. ]
You know, I'd really would like to understand more about you and your people. And I'd love to listen if you're willing to talk. That'll take putting past grudges aside, but I'm definitely willing to do so if you are.
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