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is that so
whats his deal with you anyway
did you know i caught him lurking at the dance lessons

[ ~~player sadly checks dates to figure out how to answer this question properly~~ annie reads that over. and closes her eyes for a moment, tempted to rub her forehead. it's... complicated, as far as she can tell. she doesn't precisely "get" his deal with her. he'd save himself a hell of a headache if he's just write her off like she'd hoped he would back in August. ]

I'm not surprised.

[ Not with how things were at the time, or how they sort of stand now. You know, uneasily and uncertain, but... up an apology? ]

He doesn't know how to balance the fact of what I've confessed to being responsible for against his desire to be friends, based on who he believed me to be before that confession, and I guess who I still am after. From what Uzu Sanageyama was telling me unprompted, it's something he's struggling with. Uzu thought it was progress, since he wasn't choosing to run away.

So really, I don't know. I'm difficult for him.

[ and really... again, she knows it'd just be easier if he didn't try. which is what she doesn't get, but also doesn't press all that hard. ]

everything is difficult for him
you would almost think hes never had to interact with actual people before
whatever this academy his lady satsuki kept it certainly wasnt anywhere made to experience reality

[ she remembers how he'd said he was given his first laptop at ten. it'd changed his landscape right before he would have been an adult on her world - with his closer to mirroring one like this Earth, it came during important formative years of his extended childhood. yes everything is difficult for him.

annie frankly thinks the same of many peers who don't seem prepared to handle the world as it is. at the same time... she can't help but admire the idealists, for believing as strongly as they do. ]

I don't think he did. Not outside of his teammates. As for how out of touch things seem to have been from our idea of reality... I suppose what one does to handle sentient clothing looks as ludicrous from the outside as it probably was from the inside.

[ idealists are something kanaya has never had much use for. theirs are only dreams that are fit to be broken in the end, and she disdains the naivety more than she envies it. ]

circumstances may change but people dont
not on their most fundamental levels
i have trouble believing anyone finds his conduct with others acceptable
whether from a world with sentient clothing or not
and it will only continue to bring him ill consequences until he realizes that

[ it's something over which they'll always be opposed - annie finds in idealists something she wishes she had in herself, but can't trade in, and won't, against her sense of realism in facing the world. she can't afford their kind of clarity. ]

I don't think anyone does. But you're a good friend to him, Kanaya, to be concerned about what trouble he'll continue to invite onto himself in continuing to act on in ignorance to the effect he has on others, and its whys.

[ or so she assumes. it makes more sense for why kanaya's talking about him now, regardless of how he came up in conversation. ]

[ it's not an unsafe assumption, kanaya conducts herself as someone unafraid to speak her mind or stick her nose in places it doesn't belong. there's almost no other kind of relationship for them to have. ]

it would be nice if he saw it that way
instead of trying to leverage friendship as some reason i should leave well enough alone
if the boy knew me at all he would understand its the same exact reason i cant and wont

nonetheless he "promised" he wouldnt anymore
i dont really believe him so if you happen to catch him stalking you in the future do let me know

[ sticking her nose in places and being a very odd person to circle around, getting to know on some level, attempting to understand on others. Annie's not quite sure what to make of those parts of her, mostly as applied to anything Annie is involved with. ]

I'd prefer to deal with him myself in case of such an event. Though my guess is you'd want to know for the sake of this "promise" he made with you?

[ #relationship dynamics annie has never had to deal with: promises. she simply doesn't make them. ]

[ you're missing exactly nothing, annie. ]

the promise is empty i dont give it any weight
its more about the social cues and the lessons hed be refusing to learn
but having your own dissatisfaction to cite would also help
then he couldnt try using some nebulous "thing" the two of you supposedly have as an excuse
because he definitely did that

I'm not sure what you mean using some nebulous "thing" we two supposedly have as an excuse.

[ the nebulous thing where he doesn't know what to do with her and blurts out lovely things like you murderer in casual conversation, that thing? annie shakes her head. she doesn't get what kanaya and houka were even talking about over her, when it comes down to it. correcting for stalking is about learning stealth or subtly in the practice if it's still felt as necessary.

she doesn't think pointing that out to kanaya right now is going to help anything, and she wonders if it wouldn't come off wrong, anyway. but it's not like she can fault him in her particular case - she'd hold it against him for others, simply because they can't handle that kind of scrutiny. annie doesn't like it, but she's dealt with it, and it had come to a point of being dangerous to herself or others, or even houka himself...

she'd handle it. which is why kanaya's request makes her tap on her comm, ultimately shrugging. ]

With him, I'd be more concerned on your part if he's targeting people for no discernible reason. Being followed in a public space is a nuisance. Worrying about my electronic transmissions is a nuisance, but I know those aren't protected anyway. He taught me that months ago, and not out of spite at the time.

I don't think I'm the measuring stick you want to hold his behavior against. As for his behavior in relation to me - I won't be delegating my response to inappropriate behaviors elsewhere.

[ well, that's pretty much exactly how inumuta presented it, some thing that is wholly just his and annie's business where he has no idea what to think of her and stocks her to make fun of her dancing later. aka houka inumuta doesn't know how to talk to girls, especially when they have shady pasts. ]

i really think its far more indicative of him than a specific handling for you
this isnt the first time ive had to chide him for a lack of boundaries

and honestly i think youre getting the lesson from a biased source
of course he would tell you those avenues arent protected when he regularly violates them
just because its possible for someone to to compromise whatever security we can attempt to establish in these parts of our lives doesnt give them the right

annie youre talking about this as if he doesnt have a problem

[ she's vaguely amused. ]

He's not my only source for that sort of thing.

[ she doesn't take anything as "the word" from just once source, not even ones like tony - and she has a lot of respect for tony. (and wariness, but that's with everyone. it's natural.) ]

Kanaya, I may need to point out that to me, his problem is presentation and lack of subtly in what he does. He doesn't understand how to interface with people well, or how to watch them to see what he should be doing to interface. That's a problem. He needs to gain a better sense of how to socialize.

Stalking... I don't know if I understand what you mean by that. Pursuing and following people for the sake of information? I have the sense that's what he does, and he does it poorly, when not choosing to camouflage himself. If you mean the kind of following that signals intent to harm, sexual gratification, or obsession, I don't feel obsession with anything other than information is Houka's problem... but I don't know him that well. All I say is based on my observations, and what he's said, or acted like, before.

i agree his methods and unwillingness to learn proper socialization is the issue
but i dont think his subtlety is really a part of that
if he actually knew how to deal with anyone then he wouldnt need to be subtle
he just needs to weed out the creepiness

and while it may not be quite obsession it is certainly overinvestment
but you know when you start going out of your way to follow someone the line between overinvestment and obsession becomes very thin
it isnt even about information
if you think he means to study you for the sake of some protective contingency that may at some point possibly become necessary
or at least that he suspects might
that isnt what he was after
he even admitted as much to me

he just wanted some ammunition for some petty remark about your dancing in the future
to go to those lengths for something so trivial
that crosses right over the line of obsession

[ what ]

what

i told you it was creepy
do you see what i mean now

That's not creepy.

That's completely moronic.

they arent mutually exclusive
its creepy for moronic purposes

Kanaya, I think it's becoming increasingly clear that our understandings of creepy aren't the same. My worries with creepy boil down to "wants to torture me and enjoys telling me so to my face," or "would enjoy lighting me on fire to 'address' my sins after killing off my comrades for the same reason," or "is standing on my head telling me in precise, calm detail how he's going to cut me out of where I am, right through my limbs." One idiot of a man with no social sense lurking around a community center looking for a reason to mock me just hits on pathetic, not creepy.

... I amend the above. I can think of other degrees of what I would consider disturbing, or creepy, but the fact remains that Houka doesn't creep me out. I can understand why he would disturb others. Kanaya... Let the two of us work out whatever it is he's going through in regards to me, and if you and I want to continue this conversation about his lack of social awareness, we can do so, aside from making it about those intentions he's had toward me, or any he has in the future, pending they're murderous.

personally i would consider creepy too mild a term for your examples
and yes while inumutas inappropriateness is by many degrees milder than any of those thats why i would be quicker to deploy a milder term to describe it

but frankly im not nearly as interested in whatever his problem is anymore
not when we have these sort of issues to instead address

I could use terrifying, but there's no real choice to stop dealing with those possibilities when they arise, so creepy makes it feel more manageable.

[ Semantics. Annie knows it's, ah, much more than creepy, but Levi at least has been reigned in to creepy here by technicalities of the systems. ]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

terror never frees us of that choice
if anything it only necessitates it more regularly

what i mean is are these threats that are specific to your home circumstances or have they bled into this world

Ah... a little of both.

annie
that answer is far too short for the meaning it implies

Lunatic is the only problem with teeth here. Levi is restrained by the social order present. He growls, but he's on leash, for as long as I'm not at odds with the military.

toothless or not both sound like cases to be watched
even when leashed a dog needs to be taught to behave

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