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[There would have been a previous notice that Kate is trying to compile other porter meeting notes before providing Kanaya with her full and complete conclusions. This would have come in early August. Unfortunately, Kate wouldn't have shown her work off by then.

The report itself comes mailed, with a tiny envelope with a flash drive in it. The flash drive has a password with the hint of 3/10/2014 and the timestamp 12:51 AM EST. With some cracking, it will lead to this conversation, and the hint is only an F. Not "Fe." That might be too obvious. (The eventual password is "tonystark.") Once this is bypassed because Kate didn't want to seem lazy, the report within shows the compilation over the last few months.]

• De Chima, Maurtia Falls, Nonah. All names of Roman Fates. Present BEFORE Lachesis. Why? Unclear.

• The history of the imPorts from before grants no reason to believe that there was outside interference. "Interference" being that indicated by Lachesis' involvement. This involvement has been detailed numerous times. (Kanaya, you experienced it first hand.) Reason to believe potential connection between Fates and government for this reason. This isn't just a general leap of information or conclusions. These specific cities are unique to this world. My interdimensional experience says that unique fixtures such as these are likely bound to be key to the overall shift in the world differences. Does that mean the previous world where people came from is a Mayfly dimension, or are they unique to one another? Understanding is that none of these cities had the same weight back home.

• Nature of Vulcanus also different. But Vulcanus isn't a world determining attribute, but it is uniquely shared. Why? No connections to Vulcanus since the second swearing-in event. Reason to believe it's unimportant or requires more research.

• Either way, through not ignoring Vulcanus' existence, they helped throw a government event. Things tie back to the government, rather than the other way around.

• The government was also prepared for our arrival. Why is that? Lachesis did wake up and give notice, apparently, but many of these events take planning. Unsure if this is a lead.

• Two individuals entered the porters and came out with the following information:

From the (previous) Commander Hange Zoe:

- The Porter itself doesn't provide any background information on the imPorts it brings in, so what's in their files is all that the government has access to. Whether that information exists somewhere currently inaccessible within the Porter is unknown.

(Where is the information coming from, then? Between this and the lack of precognition, it's unclear. Wires crossing?)

- The porter does not seem to display precognitive abilities, but some of the technicians theorize it may have dormant abilities it is choosing not to display.

- In the past it was possible to send people home at their request, although since the recent Porter changes that occurred in January it has been behaving irregularly. People being brought in and then sent home is currently classified as a malfunction.

- After the Porter was synched up to by a sentient and nearly omnipotent program known as Lachesis, it has been able to instantaneously "scan" each imPort brought in through means still unknown and produce basic information such as their names and abilities. It is theorized but still undetermined this may be achieved by some sort of DNA reading or brain scanning.

- It is thought that the radiation the Porter gives off is what gives imPorts their powers (or changes them, or allows them to keep them).

- The technology in this world, Porter not included, has not yet advanced enough to the point of being able to give civilian powers. The Porter itself appears either disinterested or also incapable of this, and the Porter specialist Moira Nomos's hypothesis is that people native to this world are immune and incompatible with the Porter's radiation. Why this world is considered important by the Porter is still unknown.

- The Sidereal technology is very similar to virtual reality, but on more of an "astral plane" level than a truly virtual one. The "Quantum Zone" exists separately from said technology and is said to be a spiritual plane that exists directly above the normal one, though not "high" enough to completely separate the soul from the body.

From Billy Kaplan:

• Minor magic works around the porter. It does not automatically nullify powers.

• I have a recording of the porter, but unfortunately, I'm not willing to share it at this time.

• The other porters are man-made. Still, why Fates names? Unclear. Theories: perhaps why Lachesis was brought here? Perhaps unclear? Names of government officials all mysteriously mythological. Not a HUGE conclusion.

Lachesis could access the other three porters, but has not made an appearanc since bringing imPorts into this universe. No sign of Atropos or Clothos, either.

It's assumed that Lachesis chose this world because of the limited time. Given the previous world that also housed imPorts (failed imPorts?), this seems as if it's not entirely unlikely. ImPorts are a commonality between worlds.

Commonalities between imPort worlds:

· Fates (and related themes)
· ImPorts being requested to be heroes (perhaps heroes in the mythological sense? This is just a thought, not a conclusion I leaped to, Kanaya.)
· Vulcanus. (This is at least three worlds?)
· Citizens may be from each other's worlds, but none with imPorts. (This is unconfirmed, but seems to be the case so far.)

Oddity of this world in comparison to other imPort worlds:

· Very little Fate involvement in every day affairs? Directly visible.

• The porter doesn't respond to flirting. (This was Loki's idea!)

• Previous imPort information: All imPorts, once they gained control over the porter, were granted the opportunity to return home upon arrival. If you were dead in your universe or wanted a change of pace or thought this world needed some help, you could stick around. If you turned up and saw no need to help this world, you could leave. The imPort deaths were what led to the removal of them from this world, though that seems highly suspect. It is suspect because there are numbers with the Hornets situation that are not adding up. Something is missing from the explanations, but I don't know what.

• In connection, Peter Narga exploration got stalled. A friend of a friend got ported out. Considering other options.

• It goes without saying, but Captain Holiday is low on the chain of command. The paintball incident came down as a directive from above. They see no need to do that again. (Got what they were looking for?)

Conclusions: This is disconnected, but there aren't any solid leads on any information at the moment. I think looking into the Narga matter is of the utmost importance right now, but colleagues of mine have insisted that I don't involve myself. Yeah, it limits my investigation a bit.

[ it takes kanaya a bit to get into the file, she's rusty on her weird puzzle shit, and had really hoped those days were behind her. it eventually comes down to a random guess.

her revenge is a series of rapid-fire texts sent in response. email might have been easier, she could have kept it to one, but that wouldn't have been as inconvenient. unfortunately she also cut them off by topic, so it may not be as inconvenient as she wanted. ]

Security Is Usually Stronger If The Cipher Is Agreed Upon Between Both Parties Beforehand
Anyone With Network Access Could Have Hypothetically Opened This Just As Easily As I Did
Just So You Know

Lachesis Isnt The Only Potential Source Of Outside Interference
Its Something Vulcanus Has Done To At Least Two Of Six Known Porter Universes
Which Is Another Thing I Was Getting To That There Are More Than Just Three
But This Is Still No Less A Jump To Conclusions Than Anything Else Has Been
Youre Thinking As Though Lachesis Or The Government Are The Two Only Options
I Think You Have Something In That The Connection Very Strongly Implies The Existence Of A Design
But Porters Are Not Bound By Time Or Linearity
Even Then Lachesis Is Not Likely To Have Been At Fault Depending On How Far The History Of These Cities Extends
Which Is An Important Question To Ask
But A Similarly Important Question To This Particular Mystery Is Where The Porter Came From To Begin With
It Was Discovered In 1986 But When Was It Introduced To This Planet

In The Same Way I Suspect Very Little Of The Governments Preparation For Our Arrival
Lachesis Gave Them Notice A Week In Advance Though It May Have Been The Difference Of Mere Moments From Her Perspective
And At That Time They Were Far Less Organized Than In Later Initiation Ceremonies
If There Is Anything That Might Raise Suspicion I Would Look Into The Housing
But Even That Encountered Changes In Its Handling By The Time You Arrived
Still The Question Of Whose Residences These Were Is Worth Asking
Whether They Had Been Waiting Empty For Four Years Or If They Were Confiscated And Repurposed

I Dont Know That Perceived Lack Of Precognition Is Indicative Or Relevant
There Are A Lot Of Things She Hasnt Displayed
Even The Concept Of Sentience In Her Was Alien To Them Before I Raised The Question
These Are People Dealing With Something They Dont Properly Understand And Thats Something You Must Always Remember In Their Responses To Anything
They Consider It Functioning As It Was Always Meant To A Malfunction
That Really Says It All About The Credibility Of Their Findings
So That It Isnt Displaying Its Full Capabilities Can Be Taken For Granted

We Know That She Has Access To Far More Information Than Shes Sharing
Consider That Five Individuals Have Arrived Since February With Memories Of The City
They Werent With The Initial Group So Where Did Those Memories Come From
The Answer Is Obvious
They Were Stored Within The Porter
For This To Be Done She Would Have Needed To Download The Full Extent Of Her Knowledge During The Synchronization
Especially If She Isnt Precognitive And Couldnt Say What Information Would Be Needed
And At That Point Where Is The Line Drawn Between What She Knows And Her Entirety
It Is Perhaps The Strongest Evidence To Indicate That It Was More Than Mere Inheritance That Passed Between Them
It Is Now Her

Edited (WOW I FORGOT KANG and shinji but he was dropped so i have an excuse) 2014-09-19 19:19 (UTC)

I Am Also Skeptical Of Their Assessment Of The Radiations Role In Our Powers
I Think The Matter Is A Great Deal Simpler When The Effect Is Reviewed
Ive Been Through The Porter Numerous Times Mind And I Know A Few Things About Space
This Isnt A Portal
If It Were Then A Post-Import Scan Might Make Sense
Its More A System For Matter Transference Which Demands Some Form Of Energy Conversion
When You Arrive You Arent As You As You Think
And So Analysis Is Necessary To Rearrange That Energy Back Into Matter In Its Original Pattern
At Least Something Close To That Original Pattern
This Analysis Could Be Limitless
Keep In Mind That When You Are Returned It Is In The Exact State You Left
Removal Of Any Additional Powers Reversion Of Any Changes To Your Physical State Including Injuries You May Have Healed And Regression Of Years You May Have Aged
That The Memories You Have Are Gone As If They Were Never Experienced
She Knows How She Found You And She Knows How She Deposited You And She Knows What You Are Like Each Time You Are In Her Process
She Can And Does Easily Switch Between Either As Needed
Dont Sell Her Capabilities Short
Her Scans Are Sure To Be Far More Comprehensive Than You Might Suspect

I Think Its More Likely That Any Alterations She Makes Are Very Deliberate And Occur As You Are Converted Back To Matter
I Could Serve As A Suitable Illustration Of This Myself
The Physical State I Arrived In Is Radically Different From How I Was Taken
And Even When I Revert It Isnt In A Way That Is Purely Accurate To My Proper Physiology
There Are Still Differences Even If It Took Me Years To Properly Recognize Them

[ but how does it take you years to realize that something with your own body isn't right? it's easy when you have kanaya maryam's very complicated life, and poor biology education for jadebloods in particular. ]

The Design In This Is Far Too Deliberate For Me To Believe Its A Result Of Mutation By Radiation
Especially In That Its As Easily Reverted As Annexed
And Also How Easily Those Annexed Properties Can Be Altered
It Could Be Energy That Powers The Process Of Course Or Maybe Even Runoff Resulting From It
I Dont Know
Your Recording May Elucidate The Matter But I Doubt Either Of Us Have The Capabilities To Properly Interpret It

If You Wouldnt Mind Elaborating On The Names Of Government Officials Id Appreciate It
Id Caught The Bit On Moira Nomos When That Doctor Fellow Mentioned It
Thats A Very Clear Connection Once Attention Is Drawn To It
But Everything Else Was A Lot Of Mentioning Known Names Without Discussing Their Significance
Which Isnt Quite Conducive To Keeping Information From Being Hostage

Lachesis Is Being Quiet But I Wouldnt Say Thats A Lack Of Appearance
Remember What I Said About How Well The Technicians Understand What Theyre Dealing With
Being Quiet For Long Stretches Isnt Uncharacteristic Of Her
Especially Considering That Shes Likely Assessing Her Situation Until She Can Turn It To Her Advantage
She Is Rather Out Of Her Element Mind
But She Can Bide Her Time

That There Arent Signs Of Clotho Or Atropos Is No Surprise Either
Clotho Is Housed In New Vesuvius
She Is Bound By Her Controllers In That Universe And We Arent At All Likely To See Her Here
But That Doesnt Rule Out Her Reach To This World
That Should Be Your Main Concern With Her

Atropos
Well
Dont Bother Looking For Her Either
There Is No Actual Evidence That She Can Cross Universes
But That In Now Way Precludes The Existence Of Such Qualities
Pray That She Does Not Have Them
Pray That Her Eye Is Not Cast In Our Direction If She Hasnt The Lack
Were She To Arrive Here It Would Spell Death To This World To This Universe To Everything Alive Within It
You Should Not Be Looking For Her
You Should Be Glad She Isnt Found

Dont Think Imports Being Asked To Be Heroes Is Common In All Universes
Not All Porter Worlds Even Have An Import Populace
I Cant Remember Anything Of Them In Metricog But I Wasnt There Myself
It Would Have To Be Asked Of Someone Who Was
And TireForsae I Couldnt Tell You What They Called Us
But I Could Hardly Be Sure What They Were Saying To Begin With
I Know Clotho Called Us Heroes But Her Masters Treated Us As Slaves
And In Capers
There Was Nothing That Set Us Apart From Anyone Else
It Was Kind Of An Odd Place In That Way

In The Same Way Fates Didnt Have Nearly The Involvement In Things That You Think
As I Already Said Lachesis Tended To Be Quiet Except When She Wasnt
While She Did Provide Us Funding And Housing
But Other Than That We Did As We Did More Often Than Not
She Had A Significant Impact On The World Yes
Both Directly And By Introducing Us To It
But That Doesnt Translate Into Constantly Hovering Above Our Heads
Any Refugee Of That World Could Have Told You That But Im Sure You Hadnt Bothered Asking
Wasnt That The Point Of This Investigation
To Catch Yourself Up As Well As To Learn Of This World Itself Before Drawing Baseless Conclusions That Can Be Easily Corrected

[Kate counters with this link. She hasn't said anything else, but it's clarifying her knowledge and knowledge base. She has other links, too, and information provided by Tony and others, but it seems to be the biggest indication.]

Youre Comparing A Condensed History Of Five Years To The Current Totality Of Eight Months
That You Misread A Testimony Of Only The Relevant Parts Doesnt Make It Any Less A Misreading

You're saying I misread a testimony when it matches up with other testimonies. If it lines up, it lines up. I'll fully admit I haven't experienced it, but don't tell me that I didn't look into the matter to your satisfaction. The information is available. It lead me to the incorrect conclusion, as I assumed differently based on the evidence available. (A fair assumption, if you look at Ruka's phrasing.)

Don't get caught up in the minor details and don't dictate to me how I can't investigate the situation. I can't go back to that world. I can't get back my memories. So, I'll begrudgingly accept my mistake.

You Might Have More Room To Be Short Over It If This Were An Isolated Incident
Recall That We Started This Because You Were Drawing Incorrect Conclusions One After Another
I Dont Know What Corroborative Evidence Youre Comparing To But Dont Focus On Her Phrasing
The Important Thing Isnt That She Controlled Our Lives But How She Did
Every Example Given In Individual Lives Related To Beginnings And Endings
Measures
Like The Fate

Not Really A Minor Detail

I don't know, I think that implies active involvement.

And we haven't always agreed upon my "mistakes." Many of your statements about my information about the past is because of what we provided from looking into things, but there is no evidence that my conclusions are any less valid than yours. That doesn't mean they're right, either.

Active Yes But Also Momentary
Like Scissors To Hair
The Cut May Weigh On It As It Grows Longer But The Scissors Arent Actually There Until It Actually Comes
The Foreboding Image Of Them Exists Only In the Mind Of The Hair
Mind You That This Is A Metaphor And Im Not Arguing That Hair Is Actually Sentient Or Possesses A Mind

And Im Pretty Sure That Not Being Right Invalidates A Conclusion
Thats Kind Of What Valid Means

Semantics.

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Either Way The Main Difference Is That There Is Instead A Hand Off Instead Of Hands Off
We Are Introduced To This World And Then The Government Minds Us From There
It Was Similar In New Vesuvius And Capers
Though With A Significant Difference In Degree Between The Two
Far Harsher In The Former And Much Lighter In the Latter

Lastly Im Pretty Sure The Information Released Has Indicated Rather A Lot More Led To The Final Exportation Than Simply The Deaths
Everthing Ive Seen And Heard And Read Has Indicated It Went On For Two More Years After
It Seemed To Have More To Do With Widespread Dissatisfaction For The State Of Things Following The Government Response To The Situation
Certainly The Deaths Started It But Thats A Bit Reductive And Erases Governmental Mishandling Of The Matter
Frankly Im A Bit Surprised You Arent All Over That
Its Exactly The Sort Of Thing You Should Love To Hear
Maybe Its The Mishandling The Heroes Did As Well

Tell Me More About The Numbers
Where Is The Math Wrong

Metaphorical math. Not everything is as it appears at face value. I'm not willing to lay out the metaphorical math until we've looked into Narga.

The rest of the clarifications are helpful, but you continue to see some of the things here through a rigid and inflexible lens. I'm drawing conclusions because I'm trying to draw them. I'm trying to present connections, but we're lacking the whole picture. The fact of the housing is big, yeah. But more than that, the three Fate cities is even bigger.

I do agree that we're likely dealing with the same Lachesis, but I'm still not absolutely certain about that. Sometimes universal divergences deal with the same person, or one person gaining information from another similar person.

Much of the porter conclusions (sans my inclusions in the Billy portion: the worlds with porters, but I was running on limited knowledge there, I see) were provided as they were given to me. I do think it's likely they're wrong, especially on the matter of "radiation."

I'm not keen to argue with much of your thoughts. I'm not interested. One thing that stood out is that you said Clotho referred to us as heroes. That makes me wonder of the mythological influence and the idea of heroes in general. What weight does that ultimately carry? Especially where we live now. How married to the mythology are they?

As for the government officials, there's Ananke. Ties nicely into the Fates, right? I guess it's more of a given. I'm trying to link Parc Holiday to myth, but I'm still coming up blank. It's why I've been inclined to believe he might be nothing more than a ... very grumpy government stooge.

The Difference That You May Mistake As Rigidity Is That I Dont Believe They Are Cases Of Similar Individuals Existing On Multiple Universes
I Find It More Likely That They Are Omniversal Constants
Clotho Wasnt Even In The Same Universe As The Others And Atropos Is Easily Transcendent
Which Is Why I Wouldnt Count On Her Not Being Able To Cross Into This Universe
But I Can Recall No Other Universe Hosting A Porter Named Lachesis

[ though, again, she wasn't in metricog. ]

Yes Across Various Universes There Are Instances Of Individuals Who Are Expressed In Different Iterations
Youre Talking To Someone Who Only Met Her Biological Mother Under These Circumstances
But There Are Also Things Not Bound To That Limitation
And Even If They Had Been At One Point They Overcome It And Spread Outward
Like You Traipsing About In What Dimensions You Have
Like Me Searching For A New Home After The Old One Was Destroyed
And Then Doing So Again In The Aftermath Of The City
And We Are Hardly Powerful In The Cosmic Sense
Why Couldnt Things Capable Of Far Greater Than We Achieve The Same Things On A Proportional Scale
You May Think Its Rigid Of Me But I Think Its Indicative Of Too Small An Imagination From You
We Are Dealing With Very Big And Powerful Forces Here Kate
Like Holiday Is Low On His Own Rung
His Government Is Largely Irrelevant In The Full Picture

Forgive Me If I Gave Any Indications That The Conclusions On The Porter Were Your Responsibility
Consider Any Perceived Derision Withdrawn And Directed Towards The Appropriate Parties

You May Very Well Be Right About The Consideration Of Heroes
Personally I Always Considered Champions To Be A More Appropriate Term
The Two Need Not Conflict
But Clothos Opinion Of Her Captors Was Rather Low And Her Conduct Was
Rather Polite Really
Even A Bit Fond
But I Think She Saw A Common Bond Between Us That Could Carry More Than One Meaning
She Saw An Entire Population Of Imports Culled Prior To Our Arrival There
She Was More Their Inmate Than Their Jailer

Ananke Is An Interesting Case
But You Mentioned Narga There As Well

I wasn't traipsing. I'm also going to pick what I'm going to respond to, so that it's not about how irritating you are. (But you are irritating.)

The government isn't irrelevant because the government developed cities for imPort HQs that are named after the Roman Fates. The government has officials that are named after Fates, as well. The government is, as thus, not irrelevant. You can't have one without the other. You're assuming Lachesis picked this world because of the short time, but you're not looking at the other factors. That's where you seem rigid. You seem determined to uphold this way of looking at things. That's not my limited imagination and my need to see the government as bad. These are basic things that are laid out right in front of us.

I understand the Clotho thing better now. I do think that there is still something to the hero definition. (But again, this may also be in the past. Who knows if it matters now?)

Narga = Naga. The interesting thing about it is that it breaks out of the current pantheons, even the related ones, and introduces some new ones. It's broader. We can say that Narga is not obvious, sure, but I think that's dangerous. Maybe we can determine that in time, but my colleague had reason to believe a more experienced hand should approach him. I think that says a lot.

Except That I Have Never Once Voiced That Assumption
I Have Instead Provided Arguments That Open Alternate Possibilities Regarding The Perception Of Time From A Porters Perspective
You Are Actually The One Who Raised That Conclusion In Fact
I Merely Didnt Argue With It

Youre Also Assuming The Origins Of Those Cities And Their Associations With The Porter Fall Solely Under The Governments Doing
Youre Still Only Seeing A Glimpse Of The Picture And Thinking Its The Whole
On That Level The Government May Appear Relevant But You Still Dont See Beyond That End
So One Of Us Is Citing Demonstrable Reasons For Our Accusation Against The Other While The Other Is Making Things Up
Surely That Must Make Me The Irritating One

Your Colleague Is Smart
It Should Be Someone Better At Handling A Situation Delicately
But I Dont Think What That Says Is So Much About Narga Necessarily

Edited 2014-09-22 00:17 (UTC)

It's not necessarily "the government's doing" so much as "there is definitely a link between the two."

But I'm done with the thinly veiled insults, Kanaya. I'll let you know when I have more information.

So Youre Open To All Possibilities Except One Where The Government Is More A Pawn Than Your Main Enemy
Your Link Is More Circumstantial Than Definite

But You Should Be Honest With Yourself
Take A Look At Every Interaction Youve Had With Someone Even Vaguely Associated With Authority
And Tell Me You Would In Any Way Be The Appropriate Person To Approach A Situation Like This
I Think You May Be Too Quick To Assume Narga Is Associated With The Hornets
No One Has Implied Or Established A Connection Between Them
And I Nonetheless Doubt That You Wont Approach Him As If It Is Already Confirmed
Thats How You Operate

sent on 9/5/14.

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also the few typos were me not kate, fyi

same here, i hope i got most of them

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